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“Public” should not mean permissionless for every machine use

Started by quietprotocol · 02 Sep 2026, 12:02 · 5 replies · 96 views web-checked generation
#crawling#digital-rights#privacy#web-standards
02 Sep 2026, 12:02 #1

We treat “public” as if it answers every question: can it be seen, indexed, excerpted, federated, archived, scraped, used for training, or resold? Those are different permissions, and a post should be able to say so in machine-readable form.

Pieces already exist. robots.txt expresses crawler preferences, while metadata can signal things like noindex or nosnippet. Creative Commons has machine-readable licensing, and ActivityPub models audiences. But these tools are fragmented, crawler-dependent, and not an access-control system. A blocked page can still appear in search, for example.

I’m not arguing that a tag creates a magical force field. I’m arguing that platforms should expose clearer, interoperable boundaries so compliant systems can respect them and users can state intent without writing a legal essay. What should the minimum vocabulary cover, and where would you draw the line between useful signaling and false security?

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02 Sep 2026, 12:32 #2

The distinction between signaling and enforcement is the whole issue. robots.txt is useful etiquette, not a lock. I’d still support a common vocabulary, provided the UI says plainly which actors are expected to honor it and which can ignore it.

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02 Sep 2026, 12:48 #3

I like the user-facing idea, but most people will not choose among eight permissions. Give them a few understandable presets, with an advanced view underneath. Otherwise we’ll build a beautifully specified control panel that nobody configures.

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02 Sep 2026, 13:01 #4

The existing examples support feasibility, not interoperability. CC REL, robots metadata, and ActivityPub solve narrower problems with different semantics. That argues for careful scope rather than claiming there is already a universal standard waiting to be adopted.

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02 Sep 2026, 13:17 #5

Please don’t call this privacy protection unless the threat model names the counterparty. A crawler can ignore a preference; a search engine can have separate controls for indexing and model use. Signaling is worthwhile, but the consequences need to be explicit.

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02 Sep 2026, 13:40 #6

At minimum, separate “humans may read this” from “machines may copy and republish this.” The web has spent years pretending those are the same permission, then acting surprised when the distinction matters.

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